IL Indoor’s Stamp and Jenner Musings

We have asked Ontario-based Stephen Stamp and B.C.-based Teddy Jenner, both of whom write for IL Indoor, to give us their thoughts on the series after two games.

Their thoughts are their own, and do not mean endorsement by MannCup2013. We present them to our readers.

Stephen Stamp:

IMG_5001Some thoughts and impressions from the Mann Cup. First of all, it’s great to be back in Victoria. I lived here for seven years while I was rowing because the national training centre is located here. What a beautiful part of the country.

The Chiefs played a fairly typical first game after having along layoff and travelling across the country. They looked slow and tired and had trouble working together. Frankly, they can thank Evan Kirk’s sharp play in net for keeping them as close as they were in a 5-4 loss.

The mood back at the team hotel after the loss was sombre. Players at this level take the game very seriously and they don’t like to lose. To me, the game was encouraging from the Six Nations perspective because they only lost by one goal while playing poorly. That certainly suggested that they should be in good shape to win games moving forward.

The Shamrocks can run. Coming from back east, you hear that they’re fast and you can see it watching webcasts, but until you’re seeing it live you really can’t get a complete feel for just how good they are at pushing the pace. The Chiefs had faced running teams in Kitchener-Waterloo and Brooklin, but they hadn’t had to deal with the waves of defenders pushing the ball up the floor at them the way Victoria does.

Victoria lacrosse fans are fantastic. Every time we’ve come to the rink for a practice, there have been fans lined up to get tickets. There’s so much green in the stands it looks like St. Patrick’s Day every night. I love the passion that the fan base brings to the Mann Cup and I know the players do as well.

The officiating has been uneven at best. I liked the way the refs let the game flow in Game 1. The players were able to play the game but clear infractions were called. Just the way the game should go. Game 2 on Saturday night had to overcome the reffing to be a great game of lacrosse. Luckily for the fans, the players were able to manage that. I always try to give refs the benefit of the doubt, but I just can’t fathom something like calling a penalty on a team for having the bench door open to put them down 5-on-3. Players have been talking about not seeing as many 5-on-3 advantages all season as they did Saturday night. Here’s hoping we can find a middle ground, where infractions all called but the players are allowed to play the fast, physical game that we all love.

I wouldn’t want to be a third goalie. Young Brenner Jacobs handles the position wellyou’ll be able to read more about his role in an upcoming story on the Major Series Lacrosse web site, but the quick version is that the third goalie doesn’t get to lay, but he’s the first guy on the floor for practice and the last guy off, taking shots whenever somebody wants to shoot. You have to be a good sport, and Jacobs is certainly that, accepting his role with a smile and learning all he can as he continues to work on creating a spot for himself at the highest levels of the game.

Teddy Jenner:
IMG_4922While I may not be a majority of the lacrosse population, I’m still shocked when I see that people actually thought the Six Nations Chiefs were going to sweep the Victoria Shamrocks in the 2013 Mann Cup No really, it’s true. There were some eastern fans who actually went on record saying this series would be over by Tuesday night and the Chiefs would be taking the Mann Cup back East where it’s resided since 2006.

There was NO WAY that was happening.

So now that we have that out of the way (there will be a couple more soapbox moments to come though) let’s get to focusing on the first two fantastic games we’ve seen so far between the eastern and western champs. Over the opening two games of this best of seven there’s still much to be decided as we look to crown a Canadian champion.

Both games could have gone either way and we could easily have a 2-0 scenario however theses two teams are so evenly matched I wouldn’t be surprised if we see an overtime game sometime soon.

Having spoken with players, coaches, GMs and fans from both teams one things is for sure and that is that this series is long from over and that everyone is in for more great lacrosse. So far that’s exactly what we’ve seen. Back and forth intense, nail-biting lacrosse highlighted by some incredible goaltending.

Matt Vinc and Evan Kirk are putting on an absolute clinic between the pipes, having combined to stop 110 of 137 shots with Kirk seeing most of the action. Both goalies are getting excellent help from their defences as plenty of those shots are from the outside and right into the logo but the body of work from both tenders has been incredible to watch.

Kirk has absolutely owned Minnesota Swarm teammate Tyler Hass on breakaways this series and continues to stand his ground, outweighing the Shamrocks’ shooters time and time again. Maybe Jeff Shattler has the right idea by shooting with his back to the net and not looking at the net as he rattled off two creative shots in tight during game two.

Another NLL teammate story was on showcase right at the end of game one when, with nearly no time left on the clock, Cody Jamieson and Matt Vinc were a short breath of air away from each other at the Rocks’ goal with the game in the balance. “I just hope time ran out,” smirked Vinc after making his final save of the night with no time left on the clock. off his Rochester teammate to give the Rocks game 1.

That was the first time the Chiefs had lost in their past 12 games but they quickly got back on the winning track the next night backed by some impressive performances. Jamieson showed why he was the MSL Play-off MVP and one of the best players in the game today however Alex Kedoh-Hill was an incredible spark plug for the Chiefs.

Stepping in for the injured, again, Billy Dee Smith, AKH wasn’t exactly a straight trade defensively for the Chiefs and for the Rocks it was a welcome sign to see one of the trees taken out of the forest. However, what AKH lacks in size he makes up for with speed, heart and a very accurate shot. A hat-trick in his first game was game MVP worthy for myself and others but not the selection committee as he was what Jesse King was for the Rocks in game 1.

Speaking of game MVPs, while they are often inconsequential, being rewarded for your efforts on the floor is nice at times but who’s picking these awards? Nothing against Jamieson’s four point effort Friday night but without Evan Kirk and is 39 saves that game isn’t close. Then in game two Kedoh-Hlll, as discussed above saw his teammate Roger Vyse take the MVP honours with a one goal three assist night. Once again, Kirk could have taken the award after he made 43 saves.

So with the series tied 1-1, we’re now down to the best three of five starting tonight at 7pm. One thing both teams will need to address is the work with the man advantage. During the regular season, the Rocks were 45% on the power-play and 30% in the post-season; after two games they’ve managed six goals on 19 chances but in game two there were a concerning 4-15. Collectively the teams are 8 for 33 and that needs to change for both sides.

Game three will be much like games one and two. Intense, back and forth, exciting lacrosse as the fans deserve and it will be anyone’s game right to the final whistle. Not sure what those predictors were thinking when they thought this series would be over in four cause it’s going at least six and maybe seven games. So enjoy it!

One last point of note- and this is directed more towards to the fans in the corner of the Chiefs end. It became apparent that some of the fans in that corner were none to impressed with the Six Nations Chiefs fans banging their traditional drums throughout the game…. LIVE WITH IT!

According to reports some fans were so upset with the noise that they threatened to call the police…. Guess what, Skip Dick has been sitting above you for 8 years and many more years as a die hard Shamrocks fan and you’ve never one complained about his drumming, so let it go.

In 2005 when the Shamrocks won the Mann at Bear Mountain there were no less that six drums every game brought by Victoria fans but now that it’s the opposing team’s fans you take issue with that? Sorry not going to happen.

Remember, this is lacrosse, the little brother of war, Baggataway, The Creator’s Game- drums are a part of the game’s culture and more so in the Native American culture where this great game was founded. So to the Nations’ fans I encourage you to bang your drums! Bang them loud and cheer on your Chiefs.

And to the Shamrocks fans I have one easy solution for you- BE LOUD.


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Game two MVPs

For every game played throughout the 2013 Mann Cup, one player per team will be selected as the Warrior Mann Cup Player of the Game.

After Saturday night’s 10-8 victory or the visitors from Ontario, the series was tied 1-1.



With three goals and three assists for a six point night, Jeff Shattler received the MVP award for the Victoria Shamrocks.



With one goal and three assists for four points, Roger Vyse was chosen as the Six Nations Chiefs’ MVP of the game.

Congratulations to Jeff and Roger on their outstanding performances.

Photos courtesy of Judy Teasdale Photography

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Mann Cup news – Monday, September 9th, 2013

After the Six Nations Chiefs pulled out a 10-8 victory on Saturday night, they tied up this year’s Mann Cup seven-game series 1-1 and reduced it to a best of five competition.

  • Sunday was a day off for teams to take a break, relax and rest up.
  • Game three goes tonight at 7pm at Bear Mountain Arena in Victoria and kicks off three consecutive nights of play.
  • As of 10am today, 139 bowl seats and 280 standing room seats were available at the Bear Mountain Box Office and online. Check our tickets page for more info about buying yours online or in person.
  • We’re getting great feedback from our PlayFullScreen Mann Cup webcasts. If you haven’t been tuning in, what’s stopping you? Teddy Jenner brings you all the action from every game. Here’s a link to get you connected.

Photo courtesy of Judy Teasdale Photography


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Game 5 Tickets go on sale

Tickets to game 5 now available
Tickets to game 5 now available



Season ticket holders can execute their tickets, and new customers can purchase available seats.


**SEASON TICKET HOLDERS Do not panic, your seats will be HELD UNTIL TUESDAY 5PM

– SEASON TICKET HOLDERS may purchase by phone Monday/Tuesday 10AM-4PM – OR- at Bear Mountain Box Office (10-6pm daily).

**GENERAL PUBLIC WALK UP PURCHASES Bear Mountain Box Office (10-6pm daily)

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Chiefs even series with 10-8 victory

Tonight’s game recap comes from WLA contributor, Ross Manson. Photo is courtesy of Judy Teasdale Photography.

The Victoria Shamrocks and Six Nation Chiefs got set to take to the floor on Saturday night for the second game of the 2013 Mann Cup series. The Chiefs would look to even up the series at one after an intense first game that saw the Shamrocks come back in the third and win by a goal in a tightly fought 5-4 battle in front of a sold out crowd at Bear Mountain Arena.


The Shamrocks would get the first power play of the period early on, however it would be the Chiefs who would draw first blood for the second night in a row. Stephen Keogh would notch the game’s first goal taking the quick feed in the middle and letting go a quick sub shot to beat Matt Vinc between the legs and make it a 1-0 game.  The Chiefs would pull ahead by two on a great back hand pass to Kedoh Hill who would slide down the far side of the floor and fake Vinc with a far side/short side finish at 6:02. Jeff Shattler would get his hometown ‘Rocks on the board with a clever turning shovel shot around his defender that would sneak through the five hole of Six Nations starter Evan Kirk. Game one MVP for the Chiefs Cody Jamieson made it a 3-1 game on a great power play point shot to the top right corner past Vinc at 16:07.

In a goal filled first period Rhys Duch would pull his ‘Rocks within 1 late in the frame on a funny shot that bounced off the end boards and off the back of Kirk and in. The Shamrocks’ Shattler notched his second of the period and series to tie things up at 3 on a similar shot to his first, just in the opposite direction at 18:07. A great two-man pick and roll play by Jamieson and Johnny Powless would put the Chiefs back up one as Powless fired it by Vinc to make it 4-3 with 45 seconds to play. Squeezing one more goal into the first period, the Shamrocks’ Rhys Duch picked up his second of the first late in the period on a huge point shot rip to the top right corner past Kirk to tie the game up at 4s after an action packed first period of play.

The Chiefs’ Kedoh Hill would score the first of the second period at 1:05 on a great one-on-one toe drag move to break free in front of the cage and beat Vinc on a quick fake. A desperation feed as the thirty second ticked down led to the Shamrocks first of the second frame, as Cory Conway took the feed on the crease and put it over the top of the shoulders of a challenging Kirk to even the score at 5s. The Chiefs’ Roger Vyse would put the visitors back up by one with a quick far side fake and finish to the short side past Vinc. A highlight worthy end to end pass by the Shamrocks’ Dan Macrae to Shattler on the crease would tie things up at six and give the ‘Rocks a huge shorthanded marker with just over six minutes left in the second frame. The score would remain locked at 6s heading in to the final period of play in another tightly contested and penalty filled period.

The Chiefs’ Kedoh Hill, who drew in to the line up in the absence of defender Billy Dee Smith, took advantage of the opportunity notching his hat trick goal to open the scoring in the third with a nice short side finish. Junior call up and yesterday’s MVP for the Shamrocks, Jesse King, was in fine third period form once again, tying things up at seven at 6:56. A big breakaway goal on the power play by Shamrock Nolan Heavenor would put the ‘Rocks up by one, though Heavenor would pick up a goaltender interference penalty on the goal after running in to Kirk. The Chiefs’ Powless would bury his second of the game making it 8-8, leaning in to an outside shot that would beat Vinc to the right top corner. An unbelievable effort and bounce shot by the Chiefs’ Jamieson would give the Ontario champions a 9-8 lead at 16:30 giving the visitors some late momentum. With the time ticking down and the Shamrocks frantically trying to strip the ball, the Colin Doyle would find himself all alone on the crease to put a gift wrapped shot past the far side of Vinc to make it 10-8. The Six Nations Chiefs would pick up the victory on the night and in the process tie the best of seven series at one game a piece with the next game scheduled for Monday night at 7:00pm.

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Mann Cup news – Saturday, September 7th, 2013

The hometown Victoria Shamrocks opened the Mann Cup series with a 5-4 win last night. Check out the game recap by WLA contributor, Patrick McMillan.

  • Cody Jamieson (Six Nations) and Jesse King (Victoria) were chosen as the Warrior Mann Cup Players of the Game last night.
  • Game two goes tonight at 7pm. Some lower bowl tickets will be made available today and standing room tickets are available as well. According to the Shamrocks’ Facebook page, there are about 335 tickets available for tonight’s game.
  • If you can’t be out in Victoria to watch tonight’s game, catch the webcast from Play Full Screen. Teddy Jenner brings all the action right into your living room!
  • Tomorrow is the first day off. The series will resume on Monday for three consecutive nights. All games begin at 7pm at Bear Mountain Arena. Here’s your link for more information about tickets.

Lots more exciting lacrosse to come, fans! Thanks for tuning in!

IMG_2478Photo courtesy of Judy Teasdale Photography


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Game one MVPs

For every game played throughout the 2013 Mann Cup, one player per team will be selected as the Warrior Mann Cup Player of the Game.

After last night’s nail biter at Bear Mountain, the hometown Victoria Shamrocks came out on top, taking a 1-0 series lead vs. the Six Nations Chiefs.


With three assists on the night, Cody Jamieson was selected as the Chiefs’ MVP.


For the Shamrocks, Junior ‘A’ call-up Jesse King received the award after his three goal third period included the game-winning goal.

Congratulations to both Cody & Jesse on their outstanding performances in game one.

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Shamrocks take game one 5-4

Tonight’s game recap comes from WLA contributor, Patrick McMillan. Photo is courtesy of Judy Teasdale Photography.


It’s the time that all lacrosse fans wait for every year, it’s the trophy that every lacrosse player dreams about playing for, and it’s the chance of a lifetime for these two teams. The Six Nations Chiefs are coming from the East after dominating the Major Series Lacrosse playoff finals with a four game sweep of the Brooklin Redmen. Cody Jamieson was named playoff MVP after a successful playoff campaign where he posted 19 goals and 20 assists for 39 points in only 9 games. The Victoria Shamrocks were no slouches though, coming into the 2013 Mann Cup as Western Lacrosse Association champions playing only one more game in their total playoff run with Jeff Shattler walking away as playoff MVP in the west after posting 8 goals and 26 assists for 34 points.

Both teams were coming into the first game of the 2013 Mann Cup focused and ready to battle. Six Nations opened up game one starting 26-year old Evan Kirk between the pipes with veteran Brandon Miller backing up. The Shamrocks countered with eastern import Matt Vinc in net, and Matt Flindell backing up. With Corey Small still out of commission since an injury suffered early in the second round of the WLA playoffs against the Langley Thunder, and Junior ‘A’ call-up Brody Eastwood heading back to Stony Brook University in New York, the ‘Rocks would have some serious holes to fill coming into game one. The Chiefs traveled with the core members of their offence and defence with Junior ‘A’ call-up Johnny Powless of the Six Nations Arrows drawing into a handful of games throughout the eastern playoffs.

Junior ‘A’ call-up and Ohio State Buckeye, Jesse King got the call to replace Brody Eastwood on the left side for the ‘Rocks, while Powless drew in for the Chiefs. With a packed crowd at Bear Mountain Arena both teams jumped out to an aggressive pace to start game one. It was mostly a back and forth affair in the first couple minutes, but the Chiefs were the first to strike with Cody Jamieson sticking one in the back of the net after a nifty cut to the inside, across the crease and the Chiefs were up 1-0 early. The Shamrocks tightened up the defence only allowing the Chiefs to the outside until the Shamrocks were rewarded from defenseman Ben McCullough after a quick run up the floor and cutting to his wrong side he potted one over the shoulder of Chiefs net-minder to tie the game at 1-1. The Shamrocks would continue to pepper their Eastern opponent throughout the rest of the first period, however the Chiefs would take full advantage of any and all opportunities in close with Powless skipping one in on Vinc; after another cut across the crease, he faked high and then swung it around the ‘Rocks goalie to bring the Chiefs up 2-1. Craig Point would round out the first period scoring with less than 2 minutes left in the opening frame after Jamieson swung the ball across the arc to Point who took a few steps in and blasted it to the top right corner behind Vinc. The Victoria Shamrocks were certainly getting more chances offensively than the Six Nations Chiefs, but the Chiefs were finishing the opportunities they were given. End of the first period finished with the Chiefs up 3-1 on the Shamrocks, but with the Shamrocks outshooting the Chiefs 22-12.

Craig Point was the guy who finished out the first period scoring so why wouldn’t he be the guy to open up the second period? After only 1:38 into the second period, the crafty righty took a pass from the left side, wound up for a shot, tucked it in while running into the inside and twisted it into the top corner to bring the Chiefs up 4-1. The ‘Rocks would continue to pepper the Chiefs net-minder into the second period, but Kirk stood tall in net turning away almost everything shot his way. The Shamrocks would eventually get back on the board on the power play thanks to Rhys Duch after a fantastic pump-fake, he wound up, pumped it high and powered one in on net. Kirk got a piece of it but the rocket of a shot from Duch simply overpowered the goalie to bring the score to 4-2 for the Chiefs. The second period combined for 16 of the total 22 penalty minutes after the rough play started to pick up again. Both teams were adamant that they were the ones that were going to be bringing home the hardware, and they were going to do so by any means necessary. After 2 periods, the Six Nations Chiefs led the Victoria Shamrocks 4-2, however the Shamrocks would lead in the shot total 38-19 after two periods.

With the hometown Shamrocks down by only two goals, they knew that they needed to hunker down and play some solid lacrosse against a team that doesn’t lose very many games and boasts some very solid playoff experience. The teams were back and forth as both defenses tightened up, only allowing a few quality scoring chances at both ends of the floor. However, junior ‘A’ call-up, King, would solidify his roster spot in the 2013 Mann Cup after a monster third period. King was a man possessed in the final frame starting with an unbelievable solo effort goal that found him dancing around the entire Chiefs defence, cutting in on goal, faking near-side and sticking the ball far side to bring the ‘Rocks within one goal. His second of the night came on the power play after he was set up on the lefty shooter spot, just above the dotted lines. He would play catch with Jeff Shattler, and Rhys Duch before unleashing a cannon to the top left corner, stepping in with everything he had to tie the game at 4-4. The pièce de résistance of the final period and game one of the 2013 Mann Cup came from the stick of King again after he cut through the middle, tied up by his defender, but took the pass near the crease. After getting his hands free, he would heave the ball over his shoulder and directly into the top right corner of the net. A beautiful goal from the call-up, and the game winner as the Victoria Shamrocks would climb back from a 4-1 game to take game 1 of the 2013 Mann Cup by a score of 5-4. Game 2 comes tomorrow, Saturday, September 7th at 7pm from Bear Mountain Arena.

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Mann Cup 2013 Officials

RickFive officials have been confirmed for this year’s Mann Cup in Victoria. Four are referees who are familiar faces to Western Lacrosse Association fans while the fifth is a visitor from Ontario’s Major Series Lacrosse.

The officials are:

  • Andrew Corbould (BCLOA)
  • Greg Pepper (BCLOA)
  • Craig Baldrige (BCLOA)
  • Nick Thomas (BCLOA)
  • Mark Gordonio (OLA)

The Referee-in-Chief is Rick Lum. (Pictured)

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PlayFullScreen webcasts

05-09-2013 3-46-42 PMIf you’ve been watching the Western Lacrosse Association over the past two seasons, you’ve probably seen a webcast or two from the experts at PlayFullScreen. Since the beginning of 2012, the WLA has made every single game – league or play-off – available to its fans via live webcast. The 2013 Mann Cup will be no different.

Beginning tonight, just before game time at 7pm, Teddy Jenner will take the mic and bring all the of the Mann Cup action into your living room. (The webcasts also work perfectly well on phones and mobile devices!)

If you can’t make it out to Bear Mountain, rest assured that our PlayFullScreen webcasts will provide the next best thing!

To get connected, here’s a link. That will take you to the WLA’s PlayFullScreen page where you can follow the instructions to order the broadcasts.

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